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Funny dynamic during Pod Save interview with Seth Moulton: Jon Favs asks Moulton if he is more moderate than Ed Markey. Moulton, someone defensively, says no— he’s also progressive and there’s very little daylight between them on policy. Jon argues that Moulton would do better to identify as a moderate bc some moderate policies are more popular, like a public option vs Medicare for all. Moulton goes on to agree on that policy point, saying that Medicare for all who wants it is better policy and more likely to get done. Moulton seems to understand that it’s better to be seen as a progressive, and is trying to downplay where he’s more moderate than Markey, but Jon is still stuck in a 2008 triangulation mindset, and wants Moulton to brag about his centrism. He is also still refusing to acknowledge that “Medicare for all who wants it” is incompatible with Moulton’s claim that he believes health care is a human right.